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Top 15 Most Powerful Characters in all of DB; These are my power levels, so yeah.
Topic Started: Nov 7 2013, 11:03 PM (1,792 Views)
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Nov 9 2013, 09:16 AM
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Nov 9 2013, 07:08 AM
So Base form Rosat Gotenks is almost two times stronger than SSJ 3 Goku? And Pre-Rosat SSJ Gotenks is 1.4 times stronger than SSJ 3 Goku?

I would put Base Gotenks around 4x Goku after ROSAT, not 117x stronger than Goku
You may find it hard to believe, but one look in the Boo saga with either the manga or Herms' translations will show you Base Gotenks (Post) blows SSJ3 Goku (Boo saga) out of the water.
Ssj gotenks pre isn't stronger than goku ssj3, and nether is base gotenks post, with that said goku surpasses him in ssj3 after 10 years.
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Nov 9 2013, 11:01 AM
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Nov 9 2013, 09:16 AM
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Nov 9 2013, 07:08 AM
So Base form Rosat Gotenks is almost two times stronger than SSJ 3 Goku? And Pre-Rosat SSJ Gotenks is 1.4 times stronger than SSJ 3 Goku?

I would put Base Gotenks around 4x Goku after ROSAT, not 117x stronger than Goku
You may find it hard to believe, but one look in the Boo saga with either the manga or Herms' translations will show you Base Gotenks (Post) blows SSJ3 Goku (Boo saga) out of the water.
Ssj gotenks pre isn't stronger than goku ssj3, and nether is base gotenks post, with that said goku surpasses him in ssj3 after 10 years.
Nope ^_^ Goku stated himshelf that a fusion bettwen the two kids will be above him in power thus SSj Gotenks pre>SSj3 Hoku and it was also stated that Base Gotenks post>SSj Gotenks pre so the chain goes like that:
Base Gotenks post>>SSj Gotenks Pre>SSj3 Goku
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Goku states a fusion between the squirts would be more powerful than him. SSJ Gotenks forms and this is never contradicted. Later on when Initial Super Boo forms, Piccolo thinks it'll take a miracle for Gotenks to beat Super Boo initial. Gotenks goes into the ROSAT, does some training. Piccolo and Super Boo go inside. Base Gotenks forms and Piccolo says he might be able to pull something off.

Base Gotenks (Post)>>SSJ Gotenks (pre)>SSJ3 Goku (Boo saga)>=Kid Boo=Enraged Oob=Base Goku (EOZ)

I'm tired of being nice cause this shish is almost Elementary nowadays...
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Nov 9 2013, 11:39 AM
Goku states a fusion between the squirts would be more powerful than him. SSJ Gotenks forms and this is never contradicted. Later on when Initial Super Boo forms, Piccolo thinks it'll take a miracle for Gotenks to beat Super Boo initial. Gotenks goes into the ROSAT, does some training. Piccolo and Super Boo go inside. Base Gotenks forms and Piccolo says he might be able to pull something off.

Base Gotenks (Post)>>SSJ Gotenks (pre)>SSJ3 Goku (Boo saga)>=Kid Boo=Enraged Oob=Base Goku (EOZ)

I'm tired of being nice cause this shish is almost Elementary nowadays...
Look, I know all this stuff, you don't have to explain it, I'm just simply challenging your beleifs of how you interpret it. First off goku said someone stronger than him would be coming to fight buu too buu, he was just telling him to get him exited, you know how goku was all saying how it's their turn and all that when he was talking to to piccolo, yes mabye he is stronger than what goku displayed while fighting fat buu but he never actually showed us his full power going by what he said about his full power being enough to kill kid buu

The way I see gokus power is like this

Goku ssj3 full power>goku ssj3 fighting kid buu>goku ssj3 fat buu fight

At the start he only displayed some of his power

And for base gotenks post>ssj gotenks pre, well, just from what piccolo said isn't really a good enough reason to say this, he could have just as easily been implying that mabye if they can refuse or somthing as ssj they might Actually be able to win, considering the huge gain they made,
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Nov 9 2013, 12:20 PM
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Nov 9 2013, 11:39 AM
Goku states a fusion between the squirts would be more powerful than him. SSJ Gotenks forms and this is never contradicted. Later on when Initial Super Boo forms, Piccolo thinks it'll take a miracle for Gotenks to beat Super Boo initial. Gotenks goes into the ROSAT, does some training. Piccolo and Super Boo go inside. Base Gotenks forms and Piccolo says he might be able to pull something off.

Base Gotenks (Post)>>SSJ Gotenks (pre)>SSJ3 Goku (Boo saga)>=Kid Boo=Enraged Oob=Base Goku (EOZ)

I'm tired of being nice cause this shish is almost Elementary nowadays...
Look, I know all this stuff, you don't have to explain it, I'm just simply challenging your beleifs of how you interpret it. First off goku said someone stronger than him would be coming to fight buu too buu, he was just telling him to get him exited, you know how goku was all saying how it's their turn and all that when he was talking to to piccolo, yes mabye he is stronger than what goku displayed while fighting fat buu but he never actually showed us his full power going by what he said about his full power being enough to kill kid buu

The way I see gokus power is like this

Goku ssj3 full power>goku ssj3 fighting kid buu>goku ssj3 fat buu fight

At the start he only displayed some of his power

And for base gotenks post>ssj gotenks pre, well, just from what piccolo said isn't really a good enough reason to say this, he could have just as easily been implying that mabye if they can refuse or somthing as ssj they might Actually be able to win, considering the huge gain they made,
Piccolo was surprised Gotenks could turn SSJ after fusing. He was clearly thinking Base Gotenks could do something to Super Boo. Goku states he was going to go all out right off the bat against Kid Boo. His FP is during his fight with Kid Boo.
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I see where the 500 x Goku comes from now but that kind of fails if you think like this.. If SSJ 3 Goku could beat Majin Buu and if SSJ 3 Goku could also maybe beat Super Buu (as stated while inside buu) then SSJ3 Goku is pretty strong..

Now if Post base Gotenks is stronger than SSJ 3 Goku then SSJ 1 Gotenks would be 50x stronger than SSJ 3 Goku which is false because if we compare with the dimension hole Super Buu created in the hyperbolic time chamber then we can draw to a conclusion that Gotenks wasnt as strong as Super Buu because he couldnt create such hole.. on the other hand, SSJ 3 Gotenks who is 40x stronger than SSJ 1 Gotenks could create a slightly bigger hole than even Super Buu.

So if we imagine that SSJ 3 Goku = Super Buu then Base Gotenks >> Super Buu. SSj Gotenks >>>>>>>>>>>> Super Buu and SSJ 3 Gotenks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Super Buu.. Which wouldnt work out in the manga..
Action speaks louder :P Even tho Goku states that SSJ Gotenks could beat Buu and Piccolo is surprised about Post Gotenks power then we can easily draw the conclusion that Buus ki is weird and that its hard to sense how strong he really is (As stated by Goku and Gohan when Majin Buu was born)..

So no, you shouldnt be tired about being nice as the whole thing that Gotenks is 500x stronger than Goku is very contradictory
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Nov 9 2013, 02:43 PM
I see where the 500 x Goku comes from now but that kind of fails if you think like this.. If SSJ 3 Goku could beat Majin Buu and if SSJ 3 Goku could also maybe beat Super Buu (as stated while inside buu) then SSJ3 Goku is pretty strong..

Now if Post base Gotenks is stronger than SSJ 3 Goku then SSJ 1 Gotenks would be 50x stronger than SSJ 3 Goku which is false because if we compare with the dimension hole Super Buu created in the hyperbolic time chamber then we can draw to a conclusion that Gotenks wasnt as strong as Super Buu because he couldnt create such hole.. on the other hand, SSJ 3 Gotenks who is 40x stronger than SSJ 1 Gotenks could create a slightly bigger hole than even Super Buu.

So if we imagine that SSJ 3 Goku = Super Buu then Base Gotenks >> Super Buu. SSj Gotenks >>>>>>>>>>>> Super Buu and SSJ 3 Gotenks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Super Buu.. Which wouldnt work out in the manga..
Action speaks louder :P Even tho Goku states that SSJ Gotenks could beat Buu and Piccolo is surprised about Post Gotenks power then we can easily draw the conclusion that Buus ki is weird and that its hard to sense how strong he really is (As stated by Goku and Gohan when Majin Buu was born)..

So no, you shouldnt be tired about being nice as the whole thing that Gotenks is 500x stronger than Goku is very contradictory
Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P12.4-5
Context: after Goku and Vegeta revert Boo back to regular evil Boo
Goku: "Hehhe~~eh! With this, Boo's power should have fallen significantly! We're almost there! See, see: the size of his ki is completely different than before!"
Vegeta: "Alright! Let's blast out of here and escape!"
Goku: "Wait! Even though Boo has returned to normal a whole lot, we're still simply no match for his strength! If we go outside like this, we'll definitely be done in...!"

Goku never says anything about Maybe defeating Super Boo, he outright says they'd need fusion.

Evil Boo=Super Boo.

SSJ3 Gotenks was about to kill Super Boo meanwhile Goku admits him and Vegeta would need fusion to take out Super Boo. Don't try putting false statements in their mouths

Also

Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P4.2-4, P6.3-6
Context: as Goku and Vegeta are attacked by evil Boo
Goku: "Alrii---iight! Come at me if you're gonna. I'll open up a huge hole inside your body! *Boo smiles* Wh-what are you smiling about?...Do you think I can't open one?"
Boo: "It's no use."
Goku: "Don't underestimate me."
*Goku blasts, not much happens*
Goku: "..."
Vegeta: "...It di-didn't have any effect..."
Boo: "It stung a little here *points at head*, that's all. You guys are now far, far smaller than fleas."
Goku: "...So we've got no choice but to defeat you and then search for an exit somewhere."
Boo: "No, you can't defeat me. Not the way you guys are now...You're gonna die, not me..."

They're fleas compared to Super Boo...

What action did Goku do that puts him anywhere near Super Boo?

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Tiers list of Z:

God tier:
Whis
Bills

Divine tier:
SSG Goku

Omnipotent:
Super Vegito


gap


Heavenly tier:
Hirudegan
Buuhan
Buutenks
Base Vegetto should be around here

Mystic tier:
Ultimate Gohan
Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks
Super Buu


Super Gogeta


gap



Emperor tier:
Janemba
Kid Buu
Super Saiyan 3 Goku
Gray Buu
Fat Buu
LSSj M10 Broly


Super Saiyan 2 tier:
SS2 Adults
SPC
= SSj2 Gohan
Super Hatchiyak

Really High MSSj Tier:
M8 Broly
Hatchiyak (in terms of fighting Broly, he loses)
FP PC

rest is ez.

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Nov 9 2013, 04:52 PM
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Nov 9 2013, 02:43 PM
I see where the 500 x Goku comes from now but that kind of fails if you think like this.. If SSJ 3 Goku could beat Majin Buu and if SSJ 3 Goku could also maybe beat Super Buu (as stated while inside buu) then SSJ3 Goku is pretty strong..

Now if Post base Gotenks is stronger than SSJ 3 Goku then SSJ 1 Gotenks would be 50x stronger than SSJ 3 Goku which is false because if we compare with the dimension hole Super Buu created in the hyperbolic time chamber then we can draw to a conclusion that Gotenks wasnt as strong as Super Buu because he couldnt create such hole.. on the other hand, SSJ 3 Gotenks who is 40x stronger than SSJ 1 Gotenks could create a slightly bigger hole than even Super Buu.

So if we imagine that SSJ 3 Goku = Super Buu then Base Gotenks >> Super Buu. SSj Gotenks >>>>>>>>>>>> Super Buu and SSJ 3 Gotenks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Super Buu.. Which wouldnt work out in the manga..
Action speaks louder :P Even tho Goku states that SSJ Gotenks could beat Buu and Piccolo is surprised about Post Gotenks power then we can easily draw the conclusion that Buus ki is weird and that its hard to sense how strong he really is (As stated by Goku and Gohan when Majin Buu was born)..

So no, you shouldnt be tired about being nice as the whole thing that Gotenks is 500x stronger than Goku is very contradictory
Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P12.4-5
Context: after Goku and Vegeta revert Boo back to regular evil Boo
Goku: "Hehhe~~eh! With this, Boo's power should have fallen significantly! We're almost there! See, see: the size of his ki is completely different than before!"
Vegeta: "Alright! Let's blast out of here and escape!"
Goku: "Wait! Even though Boo has returned to normal a whole lot, we're still simply no match for his strength! If we go outside like this, we'll definitely be done in...!"

Goku never says anything about Maybe defeating Super Boo, he outright says they'd need fusion.

Evil Boo=Super Boo.

SSJ3 Gotenks was about to kill Super Boo meanwhile Goku admits him and Vegeta would need fusion to take out Super Boo. Don't try putting false statements in their mouths

Also

Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P4.2-4, P6.3-6
Context: as Goku and Vegeta are attacked by evil Boo
Goku: "Alrii---iight! Come at me if you're gonna. I'll open up a huge hole inside your body! *Boo smiles* Wh-what are you smiling about?...Do you think I can't open one?"
Boo: "It's no use."
Goku: "Don't underestimate me."
*Goku blasts, not much happens*
Goku: "..."
Vegeta: "...It di-didn't have any effect..."
Boo: "It stung a little here *points at head*, that's all. You guys are now far, far smaller than fleas."
Goku: "...So we've got no choice but to defeat you and then search for an exit somewhere."
Boo: "No, you can't defeat me. Not the way you guys are now...You're gonna die, not me..."

They're fleas compared to Super Boo...

What action did Goku do that puts him anywhere near Super Boo?

This topic is hard to find, forgot where this argument was :P

Anyway, yeah, i kinda forgot that Goku said that they cant beat him, guess it was opposite of what i thought, my bad..

So i guess i got no arguments left but i still cant believe that Gotenks would be around 400x Goku, i wont argue against you or for it, you win this one but still cant believe it :P
This will be my own stupid belief, like how others believe that Goku is stronger than Gohan and Gotenks because they think kid buu is stronger than the other buus
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First off goku said someone stronger than him would be coming to fight buu too buu

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yes mabye he is stronger than what goku displayed while fighting fat buu but he never actually showed us his full power going by what he said about his full power being enough to kill kid buu

The way I see gokus power is like this

Goku ssj3 full power>goku ssj3 fighting kid buu>goku ssj3 fat buu fight

That's very wishful of you. :p
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Nov 10 2013, 04:06 AM
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First off goku said someone stronger than him would be coming to fight buu too buu

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yes mabye he is stronger than what goku displayed while fighting fat buu but he never actually showed us his full power going by what he said about his full power being enough to kill kid buu

The way I see gokus power is like this

Goku ssj3 full power>goku ssj3 fighting kid buu>goku ssj3 fat buu fight

That's very wishful of you. :p
What's that suppose to mean, are you saying it isn't true? Goku didn't didn't display his full power, what's so hard to believe about that.
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Nov 10 2013, 12:13 PM
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First off goku said someone stronger than him would be coming to fight buu too buu

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yes mabye he is stronger than what goku displayed while fighting fat buu but he never actually showed us his full power going by what he said about his full power being enough to kill kid buu

The way I see gokus power is like this

Goku ssj3 full power>goku ssj3 fighting kid buu>goku ssj3 fat buu fight

That's very wishful of you. :p
What's that suppose to mean, are you saying it isn't true? Goku didn't didn't display his full power, what's so hard to believe about that.
Because Goku says he'll go all out right off the bat right before he fights Kid Boo... His Full Power was showcased when he started the fight.
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Lol, SSj Gokuu and Gokuu aren't two different characters. Not to mention that SSj Gokuu isn't a character at all. Plain Gokuu is a character.
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First off goku said someone stronger than him would be coming to fight buu too buu

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yes mabye he is stronger than what goku displayed while fighting fat buu but he never actually showed us his full power going by what he said about his full power being enough to kill kid buu

The way I see gokus power is like this

Goku ssj3 full power>goku ssj3 fighting kid buu>goku ssj3 fat buu fight

That's very wishful of you. :p
What's that suppose to mean, are you saying it isn't true? Goku didn't didn't display his full power, what's so hard to believe about that.
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Nov 10 2013, 12:13 PM
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First off goku said someone stronger than him would be coming to fight buu too buu

Check your quotes.
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yes mabye he is stronger than what goku displayed while fighting fat buu but he never actually showed us his full power going by what he said about his full power being enough to kill kid buu

The way I see gokus power is like this

Goku ssj3 full power>goku ssj3 fighting kid buu>goku ssj3 fat buu fight

That's very wishful of you. :p
What's that suppose to mean, are you saying it isn't true? Goku didn't didn't display his full power, what's so hard to believe about that.
Would you build a skyscraper on a foundation of rotted wood?
i.e., would you build an argument on a foundation of no evidence?

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